Next time your out on the road and see the most asinine manuever possible, ie- u-turn on the frwy,etc. ck to see what kind of car it was 85% of the time it will be a volvo
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10/20aren't all native americans handicapped*** (whew...love it! )
**culturally and politically handicapped by whitey!
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10/20i think it's a relatively new phenomenon. i've been shitting on toyota drivers for the longest times, and now the newer volvo drivers are starting to join them... gah. -
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10/21In Iowa there aren't many Volvos. The only Volvos I even see are in the college towns. Chances are much better here to see a redneck in a pickup truck driving over the median. The most 'stupid' 'what the hell are you doing' moves have to come from foreigners learning to drive rusted out Toyota Camrys and stuff. Driving down the middle of the road, or just oblivious to the fact they could be killed by everyone around them. Rednecks KNOW they are driving over the medians, but just don't care :) As of late, the riceboys in their Honda civics and Acura Integras have been progressively driving more stupid and crazy though... It's ever changing. And if you want to see stupid, just put anyone into a Dodge Caravan, and watch them drive like crap. It helps to have 5 screaming kids in there with them though... Around here the Volvo crowd are white collar professors who drive slow and obey all the traffic rules in a most boring fashion. -
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10/22As your humble moderator, I feel compelled to make one small clarification: This tribe is specifically about vintage Volvos, particularly the P1800S (S for Sport) model produced during the 1960s and early 70's and depicted in the photo gallery.
As with most vintage cars, you typically won't see these models being driven in an irresponsible fashion, primarily because:
A) They're far too old and crapped-out to be driven hard
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B) They're far too loved and well-maintained for their owners to do anything foolish with them.
Now, as for how people choose to drive ugly, generic late-model automobiles (of any marque), well... don't get me started.
Personally, I have nothing against new-model Volvos or their owners. I simply don't care about any Volvo made after, say 1966. And in fact, there are few cars of any brand made after 1966 that I find appealing in the least. But then again, I'm an esoteric so-and-so. -
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01/11> I simply don't care about any Volvo made after, say 1966.
oh come now, Aaron - you're going to tell us that you you discriminate between 1800Ss and 1800Es?
[note to the unwashed masses: the P1800 was made in the early '60s, the 1800S in the mid-'60s, the 1800E in the late '60s/70's. the ES was only produced '71-'73. a rare bird]
I bet you can't name one outward difference between the two, thats visible from 10 feet away.
I can't tell them apart half the time, and I used to work on the little fuckers (like, my job).
BTW note on designations: by the time the second generation came out - the 1800S - the "P" had been dropped from the name. -
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01/21Hoo boy...
Well, John, to answer your post, I'm gonna have to reveal myself as the extreme 1800 geek that I secretly am. [huge "dork" klaxon sounds]
Visible differences? Here are just a few that stand out to me:
- The earliest P1800's (like mine) had very distinctive "bullhorn" front bumpers that curved upwards in front of the grille. For me this is one of the most significant and iconic features of these models. Later models had a more traditional straight bumper.
- In later models the side chrome is two separate horizontal strips, as opposed to the single, uninterrupted piece on the P1800 (with a straight section, an upward curve by the door handle and another straight section heading tailward.)
- The gas tank lid is positioned differently on later models, on the outer side of one fin, and opposed to being located on the back panel to the left of the trunk. I prefer the earlier design, as it looks (to me) less dated, and more subtle.
- Wheels are also different, with the later models again featuring design details that look "too 70's" to me. I prefer the earlier chrome domed hubcaps as opposed to the later "mag" style wheels.
- Interior: some later models featured a rather ugly middle console over the transmission hump.
- Egg-crate grille. Another classic feature of the earliest P1800's, this was superceded by - again - a less distinctive design featuring a number of curved horizontal chrome ribs. Not exactly ugly, but just a lot less unique than the "egg-crate" style.
Needless to say I could go on. And on.
But essentially it just boils down to this: the later models simply don't float my boat. I have nothing against them or their owners (although I've always been puzzled as to why so many people seem to prefer the 1800ES's, a design which I find appalling) but it's simply not my preferred Volvo.
Which is exactly why I tracked down and bought my '63. It's my dream car.
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This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.hehee, i thought as much.
hmm, I thought you might mention the rear side windows. or mirrors. i had forgotten about the side chrome. as in photo #2, mine didn't have any. i didn't miss it.
however, most of these details are piddlin' things, hardly meeting the stated criteria of "visible from 10 feet away" - with the possible exception of the bumper.
Personally, I wasn't impressed with any of the bumpers. the one i drove had nerf bars instead (tho i wasn't responsible for them).
The older gas tank lid placement encouraged rust. I believe that was the reason for the change. but again, its virtually invisible.
wheels don't count. they're not really part of the car - so easily and often changed!
And in fact, if you look at the pics in this tribe's photo section, you find that all those superficial chrome/wheel changes overlapped, no car is consistently all one way or the other.
One reason is that, true to one of the central tenets of the Volvo philosophy (if it ain't broke, don't fix it), the actual body changed not one millimeter from start to finish.
Any chrome from any model in the series would bolt up to any other car in the series (except the wagon) - and frequently was! Purely superficial and practically invisible!
You could buy one of the last to roll off the line - which would have EFI instead of these rediculous SU carbs - bolt up the older chrome, and nobody - including you - could tell the difference!
[but since we're into the nitpickies, I totally disagee that the egg-crate grill was more unique. for its time, I think the other was more unique.]
>The earliest P1800's (like mine)...
Personally - and you know I'm only doing this for your own good, Aaron - I think the distinction you're making is purely emotional. You just want to be a time-era snob - and you're looking so hard for things to attach that to that you're willing to use these totally superficial, miniscule differences to justify it.
The irony is, if you have an 1800S, then you do *not* have one of the first generation - it is of the *middle* generation. there were just as many differences - superficially - between the (1st gen) p18's and the (2nd gen) 'Ses as there were between the S's and the (3rd gen) E's!
(there were major mechanical changes in the last model - vast improvements - but they were invisible except for the mags)
I'm sorry Aaron, I know that must've hurt. but dude - you were getting out of control! I was only acting out of concern for you..
I don't have time to get into that ES comment.. gtta get sme sleep. -
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01/27okay. is anyone in here a virgo?
this debate proves my theory that even volvo lovers can become so obsessed with their automobiles that they quarrel over the smallest of details.
aaron, is this group for all owners and lovers of pre-1966 volvo 1800s or only those people who have ones just like yours? i do want to say, however, that i completely agree with you on several points. (i admit that i didn't appreciate the differences before, so i looked at the pictures) the older style bumber is more attractive. and, the uninterrupted chrome detail is much more fluid than the two seperate pieces. i especially like how it makes the turn around the door handle.
these statements are my honest opinion and not era-driven, because truth be known i am not terribly fond of many automobiles after about 1961. the flip side to this is that ever since i was a small child i wanted an 1800. only now do i know that i prefer the earlier models.
and JV, do remember the guy here in bham that had 2 or 3 of them. i'm sure you do. i think everyone called him "rick volvo"
did you know him and if so can you enlighten us as to which model/year cars he had.
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01/29As far as I see it (and I'll readily admit that I've given the matter little thought) this is a tribe for anyone who has owned, does own, or even simply appreciates or is interested in "older volvos". Whatever that means to them.
For me... well, as I've already (obsessively and a bit embarrassingly) demonstrated, I have a very particular idea of what my ideal old volvo is. But that shouldn't stop anyone with different tastes from joining up and sharing their opinions, stories, photos and experiences.
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01/11yeesh. I was going to join and post in this tribe, but now that I've seen this thread, I realize that I don't want to be associated with any of you cretins.
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01/11wierd. my posts appeared in reverse order. beta-testing tribe.net can take on a surreal quality, at times. -
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01/21ok. Well I'm not sporty enough for this tribe. Sorry for the verbal tripe. -
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01/23pah! the only requirement for this tribe is volvo geekdom, i think.. -
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01/26>(if it ain't broke, don't fix it),
I bet you didn't know that was a Swedish phrase..
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